MINUTES
REGULAR MEETING
OF THE ENGINEERING COMMITTEE
January 17, 2002
A regular meeting of the Santa Rosa Community Services District Engineering Committee was called to order by Director Roy at the Santa Rosa CSD Office commencing at 7:05 PM on January 17, 2002. The meeting was posted as a public meeting to discuss development of properties along Via Peregrino and Via Torre, including Tracts 24831 and 27567, and notices were mailed to all owners of record in and adjacent to these tracts. The following people were present:
Director Bryan Buescher
Director Bob Roy, Committee Chairman
General Manager John B. Rogers
Mr.
Steve Brannon, P.E., Engineering Manager, Rancho California Water District
Mr.
John A. Friedrich, P.E., Civil Engineer, GFB-Friedrich & Associates, Inc.
Mr.
Larry A. Markham, Markham Development Management Group, representing the agent
for several of the owners in Tract 27567.
Mr.
John Peters, John Peters & Associates, the designer of Tract 27567.
A Copy of the sign-in
sheet for the meeting, listing 24 individuals, is attached. There were a number of additional attendees who did not sign
in.
C.
Mr. Rogers, Introduction
General Manager Rogers presented an overview of the agenda for the
meeting, and introduced the guests.
He asked those in attendance to sign in and note on a copy of the
mailing list any additional address or
Mr. Brannon circulated copies of a map showing the water system on Via
Santa Rosa and Via Peregrino. His
job is to plan development of water systems for new developments. Primary water facilities are paid for by the RCWD, funded
through benefit fees collected through the property tax system.
Secondary facilities are funded through two methods, zone of benefit
funding on a per-acre development, and individual tract facilities are funded
by each development. On Via Peregrino, Zone funding has been collected, at a rate
of about $ 1,500 per acre. Three
20-acre parcels (the old Retlaw properties) had remote meters at Via Santa
Rosa. RCWD is getting ready to
build the main from Via Santa Rosa to just past Tract 24831 (Whisper Lane).
The In-Tract portion of water system in Tract 24831 is estimated at
$269,997, or between $ 26,000 and $ 28,000 for each parcel in Tract 24831.
This is just for water, and does not include dry utilities.
RCWD has talked to Mr. Mehas and Mr. Watson about forming an assessment
district. RCWD has strict rules
regarding assessment districts, and it would be very difficult in this area.
They did complete a similar project in Tenaja.
The main in Via Peregrino could be done by the middle of this calendar
year. None of the other parcels
along Peregrino have paid their Zone fees;
if they did there should be sufficient funds to complete the main to
the end of Via Peregrino.
Mr. Rogers asked if Tract 27935 could be built without linking back
through Via Toronado; Mr. Peters
indicated that their design showed
adequate flows could be
obtained without an offsite extension in Via Toronado to Via Santa Rosa.
Mr. Rogers pointed out the
inconsistency in County development requirements for Schedule D tracts, in
that utilities are not required to subdivide the land, but practical
considerations (and SRCSD ordinances) dictate that the utilities be installed.
Mr. Brannon agreed that they would not allow the water mains to go in
unless they were in paved roads.
Mr. Brannon answered questions from the audience regarding water
services, remote meters, fire protection and area charges in the area of the
two tracts and along Via Peregrino.
E. John A. Friedrich, P.E.
Mr. Rogers introduced John Friedrich, who gave an overview of assessment districts, including the requirements for formation, the need for a lead agency to organize a district, additional voting requirements under Proposition 218. Any public improvements, including streets, storm drains, water, and a limited amount of public utilities (10%± of total assessment district) can be included in assessment districts. Non-contiguous areas can be included. Bigger districts can take advantage of economies of scale; small projects have a disadvantage in terms of higher proportionate fixed costs and the number of individual properties that may have assessment or tax delinquency problems. Problem districts can have difficulty selling bonds. A 4:1 value-to-lien ratio is the benchmark. Minimum bond life is usually 15 years.
Should the CSD or the Water
District be the lead agency? It
usually depends on who has the majority of the facilities to be built, roads
or water. Does each property
owner know what the cost will be before the bonds are sold? Yes, it will be in the ballot sent to each property owner.
Dennis Rieger asked how many
owners in a proposed district are represented tonight? A show of hands indicated that eight owners out of about 27
were present.
The effect of the defaulted bond
funds on deposit for Tract 24831 on the assessment district was discussed;
the funds would go to offset the cost prior to sale of the bonds.
Mr. Friedrich also clarified the difference between the performance
guarantee bonds for a subdivision and the bonds sold to finance an assessment
district. Danny Zendejas asked
who is responsible if the performance bond is insufficient to complete the
required work. Mr. Rogers said
that there is a major discrepancy between the County-approved bond estimate
and the latest construction cost estimate obtained by one of the developer,
Mr. Mehas. Mr. Peters stated that they had obtained bids showing that
the original bond estimate was sufficient to build the improvements required
by the County, but not the utilities. Can
the property owners advance the cost up front, then get reimbursed through an
after-the-fact bond? Yes, through
an acquisition bond procedure. It
may save some time in the overall process.
E. Mr. John Peters and Mr. Larry A. Markham
Mr. Peters reiterated the history of the two tracts.
Tract 24831 is almost ready to start construction.
Tract 27567 has been dormant for quite a few years; plan check is not
complete. The time extension
application was filed to allow the entitlement process to continue.
Plans have not been reviewed for about three years.
The proposed internal road system and utility status was described.
The project would correct the current road situation, connecting three
cul-de-sacs that are unacceptably long according to today’s fire
requirements. The original owners
of many of the parcels were forced to give them up, and the fourteen parcels
are currently owned by ten separate owners.
The design took into account the Western Ridgeline requirements, and
full geometric ridgeline studies were required at the time the tentative map
was approved. The project will
have to comply with current erosion requirements under NPDES, but there will be increased runoff
from the project compared to natural conditions.
Most of the project area is left undeveloped. Nancy Backstrand asked if there is any way to condition the
project to require each 5-acre parcel to contain all its runoff on site.
Mr. Peters said it would be difficult to change the design and
conditions now that the tentative map is already approved.
A new home owners
association with stricter CC&R’s would have to deal with this issue.
Marty Wright asked how many homes would be visible from the Valley; Mr.
Markham stated that it would be only eight or nine homes.
Mr. Markham stated that the grading requirements imposed in the
Conditions of Approval are extremely restrictive; he compared the requirements
to those on the eleven lots along Via Horca and Camino Gatillo; complete
detailed grading plans conforming to the tentative map and accompanying
conditions must be reviewed and approved by the County Planning Department
prior to issuance of a grading or building permit; none of the existing
underlying 20-acre lots have any restrictions.
Mr. Rogers stated that he was told by Deputy Planning Director Ron
Goldman that all of the underlying lots must conform to all of the terms of
the Southwest Area Plan; Mr. Markham and Mr. Peters disagreed with this
position. Mr. Markham continued
with his description of the very restrictive conditions that will be imposed
upon this map. Marty Wright said
she had read the conditions on the eleven lots, and agreed that they were
highly restrictive and very desirable. Gregg Berge asked if County Fire was willing to work with
these conditions, as far as vegetation disturbance.
Mr. Peters and Mr. Markham said that they have indicated a willingness
to do so. Director Roy asked if
any provisions had been made to compensate the District for road damage
resulting from the project. Mr.
Peters said that the project is merely a build-out of the existing zoning
density, for which the roads are supposed to be adequate; no special payment
provisions have been made. The
in-tract facilities are standard District roads, 22’ wide with 4’
shoulders on each side.
Mr. Rogers was asked if the District is trying to stop the map; Mr.
Markham responded with an explanation of the Extension of Time process and
gave a history of the process to date. The
Board of Supervisors’ action on January 8 resulted in tonight’s meeting
and an upcoming staff meeting with County Planning on January 24.
The map will finally expire without recourse if it is not recorded by
2004. Even if the map expires,
the underlying 5- and 10-acre zoning will remain in effect unless changed by
further County action.
Mr. Peters was asked if there is secondary access to the project
without using Rancho California Road; Mr. Peters stated that the project has
three points of access, but Mr. Rogers pointed out that there is no secondary
paved access down to Temecula except for Rancho California Road.
Camino Estribo is not an acceptable all-weather access.
Secondary access is a larger question, a major planning issue that has
not been dealt with yet. Ms.
Wright said that she felt Via Santa Rosa needed to be widened
to handle more traffic, that it is already too narrow. Kerry Mayer said that widening the roads may not be a
satisfactory solution, as it simply allows traffic to move at dangerously high
speeds. Mr. Markham concurred;
the wider and straighter you make a road, the faster traffic will travel.
Mr. Rogers raised the question of the SDG&E easement.
Mr Markham replied that although this route is not their preferred
route, the condition requires SDG&E’s written clearance or a quitclaim
of the easement prior to recording of the map.
The subdivider might have to phase the map to record portions not
affected by the easement, and obtain permission to construct the roads through
the easement. Mr. Rogers asked if
it would be practical to record the map subject to the potential 500-KV power
line; Mr. Markham said that was more of a marketing issue.
Mr. Rogers asked about the adverse grade situation at several places
along Camino Gatillo; Mr. Peters responded that most of the steep grades
within the project were corrected by the proposed improvements, including
removing and replacing about 1,000’ of existing road and water main.
The steep grades offsite have not been addressed. The cost of building
the extensive offsite improvements were discussed, and Mr. Peters did not
answer the question as to whether market values would cover the estimated
expenses.
Bob Teffenhart, representing Debra Wong, the owner of “Phase 1” of
the map, asked if the recording of the map would affect the Wong’s property.
Mr. Markham and Mr. Peters both stated that Phase 1 didn’t have to
record, and it would not have any affect on the Wong’s property unless the
map recorded. None of the map
conditions would apply.
Would the phasing be done consistent with the current ownership?
Mr. Peters said that it was not tied to ownership, and they would have
to go back to the County with an
additional phasing plan if that was a consideration. Mr. Markham added that any phasing program would have to
provide adequate secondary access, as well as meet potential utility/fire flow
requirements. The final map, and
any phasing maps resulting therefrom, would need to be signed by the owners of
record at the time prior to recording.
Mr. Rogers pointed out that there are five additional properties along
Via Peregrino that were not part of either tract, and they should be included
in any Assessment District to extend utilities to Tract 27567.
Mr. Markham stated that RCWD might collect reimbursements from any of
the owners who were not in the tract, but only for the water system, not for
the road improvements or dry utilities.
Gregg Berge asked how properties that had paid zone of benefit fees could not be entitled to water service. Mr. Peters that only the three 20-acre parcels on the North side of Via Peregrino had paid benefit fees; none of the other lots are entitled.
Are the utility extensions to be underground?
Mr. Markham said that county requires underground utilities.
Mr. Rogers stated that the District does not have any ordinance to
require underground utilities, but that the District would strongly discourage
any overhead line extensions.
Mr. Berge asked for the cost of extending dry utilities and water the
full length of Via Peregrino. Mr.
Markham and Mr. Rogers agreed that the cost would be about $300,000.
F.
Security Issues
Mr. Rogers described the security gate, the reasons for installing it, and the conditions under which it would be removed (construction of one or more residences). He also asked if the property owners within Tract 27567 would be willing to gate off the end of Via Toronado. Mr. Berge claimed that proper notice was not given to all of the owners when the gate was installed, and he objected to his lack of access, in that SRCSD was restraining his right to free trade. His client wants to have free access to Via Peregrino and a 4’ x 8’ sign at the end of Camino Gatillo to advertise his property. The closure was improperly done without action, and Mr. Rogers is acting outside of his authority. The Committee did not respond.
G.
Public Comment
Cliff Hewlett, representing the Citizen’s Group, De Luz 2000, stated
that the map has had numerous time extensions but the property owners have
made no progress in completing the requirements.
The next public hearing is scheduled for February 5, and the developers
were required to meet with the community to agree on possible changes to allow
the map to proceed. There will be
monumental costs in developing the map, and the developer has not shown any
willingness to modify the current proposal.
De Luz 2000 would like to help the County find a way to keep the entire
ridgeline as open space in some way or another.
Barring that, they
would prefer that it stay in the underlying 20-acre parcels as the lesser of
two evils.
Total cost of the improvements for Tract 27567 was discussed.
Mr. Markham said that the total cost of improvements through an
assessment district would be about $ 5,000,000, so each individual 5-acre lot
would need to be worth about $ 400,000 for it to be credit-worthy.
They would need to be very cautious about obtaining 100% participation
of the property owners to avoid expensive and time-consuming litigation.
He said that he would be very surprised if this project could meet the
financial qualifications for a
special assessment district.
H. Engineering Committee Position
Mr. Rogers stated that the underlying purpose of tonight’s meeting
was to establish a position of the Engineering Committee and the SRCSD Board
towards the approval or denial of the time extension.
Director Buescher stated that from the testimony by the various
experts, it did not appear that the project had any reasonable chance of being
financially feasible. Mr. Peters
agreed that as individual owners, it was probably not feasible, but a master
developer could buy the whole project and create a custom home community.
Some of the original purchasers bought their 20-acre parcels at the
peak of the market, lost their properties back to the lenders, and new owners
picked the properties up at distressed properties.
Those owners might be able to justify the $65,000 per 5-acre lot
development cost. Mr.
Zendejas stated that the District should not destroy the hopes
of the
people who have put years into this project.
Mr. Rouse stated that the property should remain in 20-acre parcels.
The Engineering Committee agreed that the District should not oppose
the time extension per se, but asked Mr. Rogers to call to the Board of
Supervisors’ attention the several issues raised at this evening’s meeting
regarding the impracticality of meeting the map’s conditions of approval.
I.
Adjournment
The meeting was adjourned at 10:20 PM
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John B. Rogers. P.E., General Manager
ATTEST:
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Bob Roy, Chairman
Engineering Committee
Santa Rosa Community Services District.
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